Attachment Misreading_Table.doc added by Daniel Langeron on 2011-04-06 21:45
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Word 2003 document

Comment 1 by Daniel Langeron on 2011-04-10 20:57
I fear that this defect (well-vocalized reading, but INCORRECT VALUES announcement) makes NVDA unusable by people using eSpeak and the French voice.

Simply put, reading his own bank statement accessed via the Internet, how to distinguish between, say, 123 Euros and 1 123 Euros ?

If the fix is slow to come I fear that French language users are discouraged to use NVDA.

Therefore I request that priority be changed from “minor” to “major”.

Thanks,
Daniel

Comment 2 by msuch (in reply to comment 1) on 2011-04-16 06:23
Replying to Daniel Langeron:

I fear that this defect (well-vocalized reading, but INCORRECT VALUES announcement) makes NVDA unusable by people using eSpeak and the French voice.

Simply put, reading his own bank statement accessed via the Internet, how to distinguish between, say, 123 Euros and 1 123 Euros ?

If the fix is slow to come I fear that French language users are discouraged to use NVDA.

Therefore I request that priority be changed from “minor” to “major”.

Thanks,

Daniel

Well, this is a problem with the way numbers can be written in french.
A space can be used as a thousandseparator.
The problem occurs when, in a spreadshit, a cell contains a 3 digits number.
Imagine that cell C2 contains 123
NVDA will send something like
C2 123
to the synthesizer which will be interpreted
c 2123
on a french synthesizer.
The solution would be to introduice a short pause between the cell name and the content which may be synthesizer depending and so difficult to implement.
You could also append a space at the end of the cell name so the synthesizer would receive 2 spaces between the cell name and the content which would break the interpretation and would give
c2 123

Comment 3 by jteh on 2011-04-16 09:11
Similar to #555, except in that case, there was a letter before the first number.

Comment 4 by msuch (in reply to comment 3) on 2011-04-16 09:22
Replying to jteh:

Similar to #555, except in that case, there was a letter before the first number.

Yess, 555 and 1444 are the same problem.

Comment 5 by Daniel Langeron on 2011-04-21 21:19
I understand that the ticket # 1444 evokes the same problem than the ticket # 555.
But the ticket # 555, was finally "closed" 8 weeks ago by Bernd with just the following explanation: “Closing the ticket as fixed because the problem exists no longer"
In the history of the ticket # 555 it is also said that it is a duplication of the ticket # 320.
And finally the last comment added to the ticket # 320 by Jteh 4 months ago is "there is no solution yet"

Does that mean that the ticket # 1444 will also be closed with the explanation "The problem no longer exists" or "there is no solution yet" ? I hope not !

At that point we must note that the ticket # 320 has been opened 2 years ago and yet I can attest that the problem still exists into Excel, Word and HTM tables for, at least, French and German eSpeak users !

In the NVDA 2011.2.roadmap, solving the problem of ticket # 149 ("Say Without all unnatural pauses") is "assigned" This ticket also involves the way in which NVDA communicates with the synthesizer.
My understanding is that all these tickets show that changes should be made to how NVDA transmits its information to the synthesizer so that it can correctly vocalize the text.

Would it not the right time to process all at once tickets # 149, # 320 and # 1444 (and perhaps others ) as involving the same class of problem: What is the best way for NVDA to forward the text to the synthesizer ?

Changes:
Changed title from "Ghost extra numbers while reading tables (.doc and .htm )" to "Ghost extra numbers while reading tables (.doc, .xls and .htm )"

Comment 6 by jteh on 2011-04-21 23:58

• Order of speaking cell position and cell contet in MS Excel must be configurable #320 refers to the order in which cell coordinates and content are spoken. It is not a bug; it is an enhancement request. It is not really related to Cell position and value merged with Excel or other tables and German and french eSpeak #555 and Ghost extra numbers while reading tables (.doc, .xls and .htm ) #1444 at all.
• Cell position and value merged with Excel or other tables and German and french eSpeak #555 is the same as Ghost extra numbers while reading tables (.doc, .xls and .htm ) #1444 except that it refers specifically to Excel. My understanding was that this bug no longer exists in Excel because in Excel, there is a letter before the number, so synthesisers don't treat the space as a number separator. If this bug still occurs in Excel, Cell position and value merged with Excel or other tables and German and french eSpeak #555 should be reopened and Ghost extra numbers while reading tables (.doc, .xls and .htm ) #1444 should be closed as a duplicate.
• Say all without unnatural pauses #149 is completely unrelated. These issues must be solved differently.
• Cell position and value merged with Excel or other tables and German and french eSpeak #555 and Ghost extra numbers while reading tables (.doc, .xls and .htm ) #1444 occur because we send the information to the synthesiser to be spoken as one utterance. If we send it as multiple utterances, there will be pauses between the name of a control and its content, which is bad. We do not want to hear "OK button".

Comment 7 by Bernd on 2011-04-22 04:51
I'll reopen #555 and enhance it with french voice and other tables. Sorry for my misstake.
Closing as duplicate of #555
Changes:
Added labels: duplicate
State: closed