Comment 1 by briang1 on 2011-04-20 09:46
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Changed title from "Symbol speaking verbosity while cursoring selectionW" to "Symbol speaking verbosity while cursoring and say all"

Attachment symbols.dic added by briang1 on 2011-04-20 19:27
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Comment 2 by briang1 on 2011-04-20 19:34
I just tested the uploaded symbol.dic file in the some setting, and its behaving as I think one might wish.

Comment 3 by jteh on 2011-04-20 23:32
When you set the symbol level, it is used for all reading except moving by character. If you set the symbol level to anything other than all, you have chosen not to read symbols below that level. If we pronounced all of the symbols you suggest in "none" and "some", they would no longer be useful.

The problem with the old implementation is that when speak punctuation was set to off, it just let the synth decide. This meant that even though you disabled speaking of punctuation, you still heard certain symbols that the synth decided to speak, thus defeating the point of disabling it. Now, you can choose.

That said, we're still open to suggestions as to what symbols should be in "some" and "most".

Comment 4 by briang1 on 2011-04-21 06:49
In the file I uploaded, I have not changed none in any way. None still means none.
I have however moved characters that tend to be common in web and email addresses, and file paths etc, into some, from most, things like dot, colon, backslash, underscore, etc. Also moved equals, plus as well. This seems to be better for most things though of course it does mean that times etc, say colon.

Comment 5 by jteh on 2011-04-21 06:54
The problem is that this sort of defeats the point of the "some" level as compared to "most". Also, web addresses can contain other obscure symbols such as "~".

Comment 6 by briang1 on 2011-04-21 07:11
Well, I'm not so sure, as the dot particularly is very important to be heard in emails etc.
the most on the other hand seems to have characters in it that are not that helpful.
I guess you could push more from most to all.
Its not important how its done, but I do feel that one needs a level that will give the email and web site characters some sense of being righ when editing a file.
There are of course obscure links, and one cannot really do all the characters, but for most uses the characters do need to be there I think, howeve its done. I suppose once some form of dictionary editing is implimented, one can have a custom level which would negate the need for this conversation!

Comment 7 by leonarddr on 2015-02-06 16:51
How about this ticket? We could now change the symbol level in configuration profiles, even just for say all. Could we consider it as fixed?

Comment 8 by jteh on 2015-02-07 03:57
I think this ticket is more about special casing the pronunciation of email addresses and website addresses, rather than changing the punctuation level based on whether one is doing say all. Brian, is this correct? If so, the summary should be adjusted, as it's pretty unclear at present.

Comment 9 by briang1 on 2015-02-07 09:41
Well it is now. A lot of the issues can be worked round now. However I can now see that there is never going to be a perfect answer to this one due to the way web and email addresses are constructed, with tilde and all sorts of odd characters being used etc. I think maybe closing this one and having a rethink about any enhancement might be less confusing than attempting to explain the current situation.
Since this ticket we also seem to have many strange interactions from the various synths muddying the water, by producing expanded abbreviations inappropriatley

The sap5 and speech platform ones are a pain in this respect.
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@Brian1Gaff, are you looking for something like #1708?

As of its complexity I wote for closing as cantfix.

closing as requested.