Comment 1 by jteh on 2011-04-21 23:45
I'd argue this is counter-intuitive. The symbol level is meant to be used for all speech, except moving by character, as that is individual symbols. If we start making exceptions, we then have to make users understand what the symbol level is actually used for. Inconsistency is bad for simplicity.

Comment 2 by briang1 on 2011-04-22 08:06
I tend to use nvda/p before doing this kind of thing to move around the punctuatuation ring, so to speak, to all. This seems to mostly work, though I'm still playing with the different levels as per ticket 66 etc, and I also have a suspicion that some punctuation gets missed under some circumstances, but that might be finger trouble!

Comment 3 by AlexTrial91 on 2011-04-29 15:19
Sorry for late, I'm a young French man and I want to write a correct english and last week I didn't have any Internet because

I was in my boarding school.
I'm very sorry but I'm not agree with your first reply and my through is so different. Actually, I think users of others

screen reader such as commercials jaws and voiceover or free and opensource orca, and the same for beginner, are very

disconcerted when their screen reader doesn't speak when he wants to take knowledge precisely of the text they are reading.

What's sutpefaction for users who have switched to NVDA when screen reader arrive to punctuations and doesn't speak ? My first

reaction was to believe there had a bug but it's possible... The only solution I found is to switch enter level of

punctuations when I read with say all and when I want read a line per word. But now, with your new option this technical

solution isn't efficient in context of productivity. It's the same when I write, I haven't feedback because I disable speak

type by character but punctuation is the only one, so it's normal that the screen reader speaks that. It's not the debate here

but I could appreciate if you could think at this.
Would you agree asking other people ?
If you are agree, I can ask to Michel Such, who is the french traducer of NVDA, to intervene in the thread.

Comment 4 by briang1 on 2011-04-29 16:28
So, if I get this right, you are in effect saying that as cursoring left and right by word, is merely an extension of cursoring left and right by character, it should retain the all punctuation level in this mode, but still revert to the normally set level when going up and down.
I could live with this, and it does sound sort of logical in a way. I bet there are people wanting it either way though.. sigh.

Comment 5 by AlexTrial91 on 2011-05-07 20:24
You understand very well my thought. I would like the developers to accept my resquest.

@jcsteh The original author of this ticket is now out-of-reach, but he did provide counter-arguments to your initial stand in his follow-ups #1468 (comment) and #1468 (comment). Could you please highlight your present stand on this ticket and triage it accordingly? CC @Brian1Gaff

I still think this is counter-intuitive. Obviously, when dealing with characters, reading all symbols is the only thing that makes sense, since otherwise, nothing would be read. However, I don't see why words should be special.

Note that we already read symbols if the word only contains one character and that character is a symbol, since otherwise, we'd report nothing. However, this doesn't work if there are trailing spaces. That's covered by #5133.

Closing as won't fix.