Add option to allow NVDA to start with Windows to Welcome dialog

[briang1]

At the present, the new repackaged installer allows only the nvda use on windows log in. It would be helpful I feel if some kind of explicit instruction could be given at an early stage in the installer or first run welcome screen to allow the user to select this option.

Of course if the isnstallation is being performed by an admin on a multi user system, then some way to allow this for that user would be needed too, without allowing the screenreader to load for everyone.

I don't know the best way to allow for these things, so over to others.

All I will say is that at present a new user on a home machine might find it odd that the screenreader does not run after a restart.

[challsworth2]

The installer could present this as an option as part of the screen where you select components to install. Other ideas could include a question after installation for NVDA to start with Windows, an option in the welcome dialogue presented upon first run, and so on.

[jteh]

This does not belong in the installer, as the installer should be system wide, not user specific.

[briang1]

I can see why you say that, but a new user may not appreciate that the option to run on the windows screen does not in fact run nvda proper at start up. I think the best compromise here is some text which is read in the installer explaining the difference and what one needs to do when nevda is installed to initialise the option for the current or a specific user.

Its difficult as we want to make it foolproof while preserving ease of use and flexability of the system. The reason why I said installer was that I feel some reference to the start options and the start with windows log in is needed in the installer for a new user. We are, after all attempting to get new users to be able to do this very easily.

[jteh]

The option is called "Use NVDA on the Windows logon screen", which doesn't in any way imply it'll run anywhere else. I don't really see how we can be clearer about this except perhaps in the User Guide.

[briang1]

Well, if you are used to not seeing the log in screen on a macine, then you might think the option means nvda will run at start up.

I notice if I set up windows XP this way, I do often hear nvda saying stuff then it will go silent as the start at start up is not ticked.

I was thinking of something like.

Note this option will not start nvda with windows. blah blah

[jteh]

Note that the option is called "Use NVDA on the Windows logon screen", not "Start NVDA on the Windows logon screen". I can understand confusion with the latter, since it suggests it might keep running, but not the former, which suggests it will only be used there.

If you don't see the logon screen, I don't know if an average user (without technical knowledge) would assume that it would start for normal usage.

In any case, I don't think there's a way we can associate a note with that option such that it will be read by NVDA by default.

I think this should be solved once the option is present on the Welcome screen, since this will appear as soon as NVDA is installed.

[leo.cerreta]

Replying to jteh:
I believe that changing the actual option name from "Use NVDA on the Windows logon screen" to "Use NVDA only on the Windows logon screen" can make more clarification about the scope of the option.

imho

Note that the option is called "Use NVDA on the Windows logon screen", not "Start NVDA on the Windows logon screen". I can understand confusion with the latter, since it suggests it might keep running, but not the former, which suggests it will only be used there.

If you don't see the logon screen, I don't know if an average user (without technical knowledge) would assume that it would start for normal usage.

In any case, I don't think there's a way we can associate a note with that option such that it will be read by NVDA by default.

I think this should be solved once the option is present on the Welcome screen, since this will appear as soon as NVDA is installed.

[beqa]

hi all.

what can be done in this ticket?

please say and I will do or if nothing close this ticket.

[jteh]

The idea is to duplicate the "Automatically start NVDA after I log on to Windows" option from the General Settings dialog in the Welcome dialog.

[beqa]

ok, done.

although I can't understand for what we need duplicate checkbox.

[jteh]

Some users expect that NVDA will start automatically when they restart and don't think to look in the General Settings dialog. Since it's an option that many users will want to know about and perhaps set the very first time they run NVDA, it makes sense to put it in the Welcome dialog.