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"Speak typed words" behaves like "speak typed characters" when entering Asian text in Notepad and other edit fields and documents #2762
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Comment 2 by mdcurran on 2012-10-31 04:44 |
Comment 3 by blindbhavya on 2014-09-07 08:20 |
The InputComposition NVDAObject intentionally treats characters as words. This is correct for Chinese (where every character is a word), but it isn't correct for other languages. We should determine where this doesn't apply and find a way to exclude these cases (e.g. Unicode ranges). CC @josephsl, @nishimotz. |
In my opinion, 'speak typed words' option is not relevant for input composition. The conversion operation of Japanese IME is usually assigned to space key, so the announcement of candidates is something similar to the typed words during the Japanese input composition. Although it is not common, skilled Japanese users just disable 'Speak typed characters' and 'Report changes to the reading string' and only enable the report of selected composition string. For Chinese language, word segmentation is mentioned in #4075. As far as I have tested few years ago, Windows Uniscribe API cannot handle Japanese correctly. |
I'll ask Korean users if they'd like to offer some additional info on this. |
I'm a korean. |
Hi, I’m not sure on that front, as I don’t really actively test Korean translation and input mechanisms these days. Thanks for not forgetting about this issue.
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@josephsl <https://github.com/josephsl> : Do you think #8110 <#8110> can solve or improve this somehow? Pretty curious what its impact on the behavior for input composition is anyway.
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@josephsl could you please thest with last NVDA alpha if this is still an issue? Or could you ask on the translations list for someone to test if this has been improved now? Thanks. |
Hi, still the same in latest alpha (2020), but it appears this is due to IME window and the fact that Asian characters are composed of constituent characters (Korean, for example). For now the solution is turning off “Report changes to the composition string" From input composition category, but it doesn’t resolve the underlying problem due to how these languages are shown on screen (Korean does use punctuation and spaces to separate words, whereas Chinese and Japanese may not do so). Thanks.
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@josephsl <https://github.com/josephsl> could you please thest with last NVDA alpha if this is still an issue? Or could you ask on the translations list for someone to test if this has been improved now? Thanks.
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cc: @khsbory, @ungjinPark, @dnz3d4c, @larry801 maybe this could be a good point to start a team work in asian communities to develop sollutions for such issues and similar problems in IME window regarding compound characters. |
Reported by nvdakor on 2012-10-30 16:34
Hi,
Using 2012.3 Beta 3 with Windows 8 with Korean IME installed. When typing Asian characters, "speak typed words" behaves like "speak typed characters" in that all chars are announced.
To duplicate:
This was confirmed on at least two systems - one running Windows 8 and another running Windows XP.
Thanks.
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