When Performing a Continuous Read Command with OpenOffice 4.1 or LibreOffice, NVDA Stops Reading After Speaking a Few Lines #4119
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Comment 1 by briang1 on 2014-05-06 08:03 There seems no way for nvda to actually tell when to carry on when the paragraph ends. |
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Comment 2 by jteh on 2015-05-31 23:49 |
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Just updating to tag this as affecting LibreOffice as well. One workaround I have found which seems to work, is to press control+end to move to the end of the document, then control+home to move back to the start. After that, say all seems to work. Anyone looking to work on this issue, there is more info on the LibreOffice bug Jamie linked to. |
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Is this with a document longer than the window? I could not get this to work
on my portable copy,and it also tened to stop if a blank line was cose to
the bottom of the screen.
It seems to me that there is something odd about this editable area. As I've
said before it seems to not always know its gone to a new line. In Word at
the end of a line you hear it say carriage return, but not in Libra. When
pasting into Libra from Office 2002 say, the end of lines seem to have
vanished to some extent, making justifying it hard to do.
Brian
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… Just updating to tag this as affecting LibreOffice as well.
One workaround I have found which seems to work, is to press control+end
to move to the end of the document, then control+home to move back to the
start. After that, say all seems to work.
Anyone looking to work on this issue, there is more info on the
LibreOffice bug Jamie linked to.
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As Jamie has noted in tdf#91739 the issue is structural with how the accessible tree of a document is exposed. That is, FlowsFrom--FlowsTo relations are exposed, but both LibreOffice and OpenOffice do not expose the entire accessible tree and only parse what content is exposed. Refs: tdf#35652, aoo#117542 The ATK/AT-SPI side has long standing Gnome issues of bug 652548 for "AtkDocument", and "AtkCollection" interfaces bug 345750 to make use of the AT-SPI "Accessibility::Collection" idl that if implemented would provide a common framework in the UNO Accessibility API for ia2 events to follow. Until that can be implemented, not clear this can be fixed for screen readers. |
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hello. |
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whats the solution for me? |
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how you set nvda to play sound when encountering problems? |
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Only in snapshots. Its turned off in release versions.
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… how you set nvda to play sound when encountering problems?
i never heard error sound of nvda in any program!
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@vsfoote is there any further work on this issue? I guess it is still reproducible. Right? |
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Still reproducible in Open Office 4.1.6 and LibreOffice 6.1.3.2 with NVDA 2018.4.1 and those linked issues against OO and LO are still open as well. Perhaps the question now is, is there anything we can (and want to) do in NVDA to overcome this, or wait for OO and LO to resolve from their end? |
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Hm, after how many lines approximately NVDA stops speeking? I am trying to reproduce it with NVDA 2019.1 in Open office 4.1.6 but I cannot. I wrote about 20 lines of text. |
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Ok I could reproduce this issue with following document attached. |
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It seems the issue occurs only in big documents. When you try to navigate with arrow keys, no chance to read it. There are following errors written to the log and I guess this is the reason why say all does not work as expected. |
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the main part should be this: |
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the deeloper info for a character while trying to focus it with the carret by pressing arrow keys loks like this: |
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cc: @LeonarddeR |
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Reproducing also in Libre office 6.2.2 |
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Probably not much luck, but it might be good to try and reproduce this with Threshold. |
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Still reproducible in NVDA 2019.3 RC2 |
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This issue is still present in Libre Office 7.0.0 with NVDA alpha-20763,1ef4dfb0. The workaround I noted previously still works. Press control+end to go to the end of the document, then control+home to go back to the start, THEN read with say all. |
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@Qchristensen I think there was a pull request some months ago which handles reading while the screen is scrolling. Not sure though if it affected only Microsoft Word or also Libre Office / Open Office. Could you test the behavior now with NVDA 2023.1 RC1? |
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I tested now and it is still reproducible with NVDA 2023.1 RC1 and Libre Office 7.5.1 or Open Office 4.1. This error here appears when selecting text, especially by paragraph. I noticed that say all stops every time at the end of a paragraph so this might be related. |
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cc: @michaelweghorn |
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Didn't analyze this any further myself so far, but the main problem described in the linked https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91739 is that off-screen paragraphs are not exposed via a11y API unless e.g. jumping to the end of the doc first and then back. The suggestion there would require a rather fundamental rework of how Writer exposes the document tree to AT. |
Reported by dgoldfield on 2014-05-05 13:56
When using NVDA with OpenOffice 4.1, speech often stops reading on its own after reading several lines of text.
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