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Modify the function assigned to NVDA + F9 and F10 to allow selecting the text as well as copying #4636
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Comment 1 by jteh on 2014-11-20 21:42 It's worth noting that NVDA+f9 and NVDA+f10 were more intended for copying using the review cursor in places where there isn't a system cursor, though they do of course work elsewhere. |
Comment 2 by blindbhavya (in reply to comment 1) on 2014-11-23 05:48
Yes, please do change this in the future. This also is a bit difficult to translate, at least it was a bit difficult for Hindi.
Though I don't understand cursors in detail, I have a question, when a system cursor is not present, is it only that copying cannot be done, or can selecting and cutting text not be done as well? If the latter is true, then I guess this can come in the scope of a screen reader. |
Comment 3 by jteh on 2014-12-02 02:47
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Improvement: Modify the function assigned to NVDA + F9 and F10 to allow selecting the text as well as copying #4636 Modified the existing NVDA+F9 then NVDA+F10 behaviour to select text on the first press of F10, and copy to the clipboard on the second press of F10. If the user moves the cursor between the first and second press of F10, the end marker is updated and the new text range is selected. The text will be copied if the end marker is the same for both pushes of F10.
To clarify the behaviour: The thought behind requiring a double press of F10 to copy rather than auto copying when selection is not posible is to try not to be destructive to the clipboard content. |
Incubated in 733ece0. |
Hi, STR:
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Incubated in 50cf262. |
Thanks @derekriemer. This should now be fixed. |
The existing NVDA+F9 then NVDA+F10 behaviour has been modified to select text on the first press of F10. When F10 is presed twice (in quick succession) the text is copied to the clipboard. (#4636)
Merged in 5b51eae. |
Honestly, I think the following string is slightly vague: |
Also, I belief that "Press twice to copy or reset the start marker" is not clear. "Or" should be "and", and "reset" should be "remove or empty". |
Bleh, English ambiguity. It doesn't mean pressing twice will do both. It
means either you should press twice to copy, or alternatively, you
should reset the start marker (with NVDA+f9). We can't say "NVDA+f9"
because the binding might have changed and/or there might be multiple
bindings.
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Ah, so now I understand. But, either I"m just stupid, or it is really not very clearly chosen. It is at least ambiguous as you say indeed. I thought it had to be "and" since pressing nvda+f10 twice both copies to the clipboard and resets the start marker to the initial, undefined state. |
I agree it needs clarification. The challenge here is that we want to
keep these messages brief, but brevity and ambiguity are often enemies. :)
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Hi. I can confirm that in Firefox upon selecting text this way NVDA stays silent. I also experience times when NVDA stays silent in notepad once you select this way. However, in notepad there's no reliable way to reproduce. |
Because that doesn't explain why the first press didn't actually achieve anything. The command is documented as selecting text on the first press. If it just said "Text marked", the user would wonder why it wasn't selected. Saying "Can't select text" makes it clear that it isn't possible in this case.
I'm addressing that in #6307. |
Hi: The eclipse thing can be disregarded. Somehow it is working today, when On 6/24/2016 1:32 AM, Reef Turner wrote:
Websites: email me at derek.riemer@colorado.edu mailto:derek.riemer@colorado.edu |
Reported by blindbhavya on 2014-11-20 19:42
Hi,
I have been encountering several situations in recent times, especially in large Word documents where I need to cut a portion of text, or simply select a portion of text to overwrite it with other text.
However, currently, NVDA only allows the user to easily copy text, however, I propose it be modified into selecting text. This would allow easy cutting and overwriting of text, rather than only copying of text.
Hope I was clear enough
Blocking #5316
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