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change different auditory indications or sounds of NVDA #5382
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Comment 1 by Palacee_hun on 2015-09-21 14:21 |
Comment 2 by bhavyashah on 2015-09-21 14:27 |
Comment 3 by jteh on 2015-09-22 06:14 It's certainly true that the JAWS forms mode sounds are more subtle, but they're also far less distinct. One is a higher tone and one is a lower tone, but otherwise, there is no difference. This could be a problem for someone who doesn't have a decent grasp of pitch. I'm not really attached to the current sounds, but the point is that things like this need to be considered. This discussin has come up several times over the years. No one has come up with sounds that offer sufficient advantages over the current ones. One also has to consider that changing something that has been there for years may be confusing for existing users who must then re-train to the change. If there are sufficient advantages and consensus, then such a change needs to be considered, but it needs to be done with great caution. |
Comment 4 by briang1 on 2015-09-22 11:41 Here are some tweaked versions of the same sounds https://www.dropbox.com/s/4g3njwscgdowpvh/focusMode.wav?dl=1 |
Comment 5 by bhavyashah on 2015-09-22 16:45 |
See also #1007. However, that issue is more about allowing users to customise the sounds, as opposed to changing the bundled sounds. |
… sounds with more modern, subtle sounds." Feedback from users suggests that while some users are happy with the new sounds, a significant number of users have concerns (e.g. difficulty in discerning the sounds) or are vehemently opposed to them. This reverts commit 7e38d1f. Reverts #7218. Issues: #5382, #7393.
Feedback on #7218 , #7393, these two nvda-devel threads, social media and elsewhere suggests that while some users are happy with the new sounds, a significant number of users have concerns (e.g. difficulty in discerning the sounds) or are vehemently opposed to them. As a result, we're going to revert this change, and given the amount of difficulty in satisfying various groups, we are not going to consider any alternatives in the near term. Eventually, our aim would be to allow add-ons to more easily provide sound packs; see #1007. I'm going to lock comments on this issue; further discussion at this point is not useful. Thanks to those who provided feedback. |
Reported by bhavyashah on 2015-09-21 10:30
As mentioned earlier, I am having to rely full time on headphones to use my computer, and I believe many NVDA users may be using headphones or earphones pretty often.
Personally, I don't find the various souns of NVDA too pleasant, if not sometimes unpleasant...
The Start and Exit tones are pretty simple, meaningful with their ascent and descent, and still decent, however, I truly dislike the focus mode and browse mode sounds, particularly the former. I don't extensively use snapshots so don't mind the Error sound's presence.
Could all the above four, at least the two extremes, be replaced with more pleasant and natural auditory indications? There are several complaints about the robotic nature of ESpeak itself, not me though, but that is beyond NVDA's help and control, but, could this audio area have some scope for enhancement?
I don't have any suggestion samples, however, if anyone does, please do share.
I try to listen to computer audio in my headphones at the bare minimum for long term safety, but, the few yet very frequent NVDA sounds just aren't my liking.
P.S. I have heard JAWS' forms mode and the other browse mode equivalent mode sounds, they are pretty good, much better than NVDA's, just saying, I don't necessarily want them to be copied or such.
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